Talk:Kristallnacht

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Number of victims

At least 400 Jews were murdered. It is pathetic - and typical of Wikipedia - to minimise this by writing 91+.

^ It was over 400,000!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.90.134.147 (talk) 13:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Poorly written

This paragraph is quite poorly written and inconsistent with other wiki sources

“The Polish government threatened to extradite all Jews who were Polish citizens but would stay in Germany, thus creating a burden of responsibility on the German side. The immediate reaction by the Gestapo was to push the Polish Jews—16,000 persons—over the borderline, but this measure failed due to the stubbornness of the Polish customs officers. The loss of prestige as a result of this abortive operation called for some sort of compensation. Thus, the overreaction to Herschel Grynszpan's attempt against the diplomat Ernst vom Rath came into being and led to the November pogrom. The background of the pogrom was signified by a sharp cleavage of interests between the different agencies of party and state. While the Nazi party was interested in improving its financial strength on the regional and local level by taking over Jewish property, Hermann Göring, in charge of the Four-Year Plan, hoped to acquire access to foreign currency in order to pay for the import of urgently-needed raw material. Heydrich and Himmler were interested in fostering Jewish emigration.”

(1) “extradite” is vague. The polish government request polish citizens outside Poland to have their passports stamps or lose their citizenship. (2) the Gestapo didn’t “push” Jews over the border, they attempted to deport 17,000 (3) The border guards were not “stubborn” they simply refused to admit many of the deportees. (4) Herschel Grynszpan did not make an “attempt”, Von Ruth was actually assassinated.

This all needs a lot of work to improve, and I don’t have the time. 2A00:23A8:C55:6601:90B1:E0E7:9C5E:1FC (talk) 10:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification on the number of synagogues destroyed

The article says 267 synagogues were destroyed, citing a now-deleted sentence from the Holocaust Encyclopedia. However, note that

1. This sentence is now removed.

2. Richard Evans says "Social Democratic agents later estimated that 520 synagogues were destroyed in this orgy of violence, but their information is likely to have been incomplete, and the true figure well over a thousand."

3. The German Wikipedia backs up Evans, naming 952 synagogues destroyed in the November Pogrom https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_im_Deutschen_Reich_von_1933_bis_1945_zerst%C3%B6rten_Synagogen

I suggest for the moment we change the number in the article from 267 to "many hundreds", or perhaps "around one thousand". Mchcopl (talk) 05:51, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I updated the article to say "many hundreds" because that's easy, but I want to further update it to say either "around one thousand" or "over one thousand". Would we be okay with such a change, and if so which? Mchcopl (talk) 06:03, 25 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]