Talk:Emily Davison

Counting

A couple of counting points:

• The lead asserts that "she was arrested on nine occasions", but the article, by my count, lists ten... 1909: Mar, Jul, Sep, Oct, probably Oct again; 1910: April, probably Nov; 1911: Apr, Dec. 1912: Nov.
• There's a source for the lead's "went on hunger strike seven times", but the body mentions six occasions by my count. Is there one missing from the body, or was it mixed up with the incident described as "she did not go on hunger strike, but the authorities required that she be force-fed between 29 February and 7 March 1912"? EddieHugh (talk) 17:56, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

There's a list at https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/profile-emily-wilding-davison-8631739.html. There seem to be two strikes during the January-June 1909 imprisonment. DrKay (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, DrKay, for addressing this. The first point has now been dealt with. Actually, so has the second: I couldn't find it as I was looking at 1909, but the double strike is mentioned (in 1912, rather than 1909). EddieHugh (talk) 18:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Theories?

"Several theories have been put forward" - wouldn't 'explanations' be an improvement over 'theories'? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Damorbel (talk • contribs) 07:39, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

• No. "Theory" is entirely the correct word to use. - SchroCat (talk) 06:43, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Photograph of part of funeral procession

I registered to be able to edit Wiki articles purely for the purpose of correcting the information that the photogrpah is in Morpeth. My edit has been changed back again to this misinformation so I see no point in repeating my edit.

It most definitely is not any part of Morpeth in the photo. In any case the "procession" - a very different event in Morpeth compared to London, did not go anywhere near the town.

It is easy to pull up a street view and it will show that the railway station, where her body arrived in Morpeth, is well to the south of the town's main street - a single L shaped street with each leg being known as Bridge and Newgate. St Mary's Church is where the town cemetery was in those days and she is buried in it. It too is on the south side of the town, alongside the road A1.

Is there any possibility that someone (perhaps able to identify where the photo was actually taken) could correct the misinformation? Morpeth Reiver (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2022 (UTC)

Hi. I've not done this Wikipedia Talk before so bear with me. I changed the caption of the photo of the funeral procession in the past to note that its location is London, not Morpeth. I didn't follow the page so didn't realise it had been reverted until the other day when this article was again on the Wikipedia front page. Seeing this prompted me to do more research and I now have definitive proof that this photo was taken in London. I have also emailed the Imperial War Museum to note the mistake in their 'object description'.

Firstly, the date. The date of the funeral procession is freely available on the internet and this link shows photographs of an absolutely amazing guide to the funeral procession, including its route: https://womanandhersphere.com/2012/10/04/collecting-suffrage-emily-wilding-davisons-funeral-programme/. The date is clearly marked: Saturday 14 June 1913. This programme even notes that Group A will have a banner showing "Fight on, and God will give the victory".

For the location, we first note the 'Vienna Café Restaurant' that can be seen just to the right of the banner. This is a famous venue that even has its own Wikipedia page: Vienna Café. Note the text 'Vienna Café Restaurant' on the glass windows in the photo of the ground floor interior. There's no photo of the exterior, but we note that the address was apparently 24-28 New Oxford Street.

Putting this address into Google Maps shows us that this address is very close to the route of the procession, this having gone along Shaftesbury Avenue and Bloomsbury Way, then called Hart Street (see the programme above). Annoyingly, Google Maps is showing the wrong location for 24, 26 and 28 New Oxford Street, but we note that the Old Crown public house is at 33 New Oxford Street.

Now look at this pub in Google Street View: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.517236,-0.1248882,3a,75y,191.38h,92.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s83OtadXNE4Bx4ALkeVtlnA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu. You should recognise it as the corner building in the background to the right of the Vienna Café. Note the stones on the corner alternating between big and small as they go up the side of the building, the two windows per floor of the pub and the two buildings to its right, as well as the stone protrusions above the windows. There's absolutely no doubt that these are the same buildings as in the photograph.

This tells us that the photo was taken very close to St George's, Bloomsbury, the church where the funeral service took place. The Vienna Café itself was apparently destroyed during WW2 (http://www.chinarhyming.com/2012/12/20/londons-vienna-cafe-where-the-talk-was-often-of-china/) and has been replaced by a modern building.

Finally, this photo shows the same group of marchers (and the banner) at the beginning of the March: https://th-thumbnailer.cdn-si-edu.com/6QrPFJjg1q01cZw_MNS-HPZ63Gs=/1000x750/filters:no_upscale()/https://tf-cmsv2-smithsonianmag-media.s3.amazonaws.com/filer/10/55/105516f3-6179-4812-9684-865192651dfa/01062015-suffragette-hero-image.jpg. This march formed up in Buckingham Palace Road and this Google Maps view shows the buildings in the photo background with the bay windows: This started in Buckingham Palace Road and Google Maps again allows us to pinpoint the location: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.4938249,-0.1469155,3a,75y,262.08h,94.57t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1suXWqa0Z9zS6LRGq4D5y4wQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu. The nearest bay belongs to 126 Buckingham Palace Road.

So, there you go.

Andy Piggs mcginty (talk) 19:55, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Looked at the London funeral programme in the above URL and tried to add as a citation and image of Morpeth grave from Commons but got deleted and ticked off for re-instating edit to change layout This could go into main biography section rather than lead, I expect, but will leave to another editor. Kaybeesquared (talk) 21:04, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BorgQueen (talk) 07:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

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• ... that British suffragette Emily Davison died after running in front of King George V's horse?
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Created by J Readd (talk). Self-nominated at 22:25, 2 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Emily Davison; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

• Nice idea but this article is not eligible for DYK, as it has not been created within the last seven days, expanded fivefold within the last seven days, or promoted to GA status within the last seven days. Please have a read of the rules at WP:DYK or WP:DYKRULES. Cielquiparle (talk) 22:50, 2 March 2023 (UTC)